Thanks for the response. It’s always cool when project members actually look at feedback, even if they are just rants.

For the record, this wasn’t meant to be constructive criticism, more just a list of things that threw me off of the new Zend Framework. I appreciate that you guys are watching, though. That said:

My main concerns were twofold: first, the database access layer seems needlessly complex, and still doesn’t seem to come with basic functionality like “find a row with the following id” or “give me all rows” built in. I understand the pattern you’re using for the class layout (one class controlling database operations and one controlling business logic) but again, this seems like complexity for the sake of following the design pattern, not for the sake of building a simple web framework.

In fact, the second concern is summed up nicely as “complexity.” The QuickStart has the user writing an extension of Zend\Form that will render out the Guestbook form. I can’t see the benefit here, though: I can’t look in the view to see the HTML, becuase there is none; if I want to update the way we validate a certain field, I have to go through every ZendForm instance I’ve got and update the validation. I’m baffled when I see people choose this over, say, writing some HTML and putting some extra code in the model to filter/validate data.

As I said, just some design decisions I don’t agree with.

In any case, I hope whatever technologies you choose serve you well.

,Wil